Tape 015 - Clip 1
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TH Right and so we will end up..
So Dave to get people..
TH Right What well end up doing is that Ill get-Ill get my guys on that and they will
urn do the thing with moving those particular files into NS Crew and maybe
Ill/
be here for another three or four hours so if you run into any snags that you want
me to help you work on just give me call space in tape then same speaker
Laughs Right Thats-thats fine we just we need just the sort of the general
overview of what youve done and then have engineers ready to go Make them
go away Okay Yeah got people just sort of like poised to do that So thatll
be all right And you think youll hay-youll be ready for that for tomorrow
Okay Okay All right thatll work um like said Ill be around so if you have
any trouble tonight and then Sarahs coming in early tomorrow morning so were
tag teaming if you have any problems um that you missed me for just drop her
drop-drop us both mail and shell pick it up from there Okay All right Bye
No no no no .. Doesnt matter
TI Were doomed
Were doomed
TH Okay so..
looked at my clock and looked the clobber builds to current logs urn and
theyre are currently no hairs in them and it then it should uh Ti over any second
now
TH He is now making his changes that the uh for the make system for UNIX he
thinksll be done in the next hour or two and then hes gonna roll around the
windows The default is for it to be on but its tied to an environment variable so
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then our job will then be to take that and wrap in the Moz-the Moz medium like the
this dot MK file urn etc
Right
TH And uh same with windows And then Mac were just gonna have to like wrap
to make this work
To guarantee this work right
TH That way itll get done
Then we get to take it out of client resources...
TH And then we get to .. with client resource modules along with Java as soon as
thats done
Im going to be in merge hell tomorrow....its not gonna be fun but
TH Yes sir Yeah Thats still true Not-no thats Don McAslans primary hell right
now in fact hes gonna have to be merging with your shit if you get
in before he
does
Then well..
TH Okay yeah hes ready for that All right Bye Hes like Im still building Moz
lighted UNIX is that wrong
No thats fine because thats fine I-I think what I-the the merge hell will just
be..
TH He says actually
his changes to the make system are extremely moderate it
shouldn be that big of deal
But everybody else is changing s-there-thereve been there-thereve been theytheyll
make three car pools before go in since- thats okay W-Ill do it the same
way used to keep AIX Um Ill keep going AIX
TH Okay okay
Here you go
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When do you think the tree will be open again
TFI Not before tomorrow morning Wait okay erase that If Javas gonna go in not
before tomorrow morning If they say Mercy we cant do it then
Yeah
TH You want to put more license stuff in there
assume theres more to do and can-Ill just keep walking over the whole tree
looking for the insert license here tag and
TH need to talk to Lloyd because Im looking over the list that hes generating on
the hostage list and theyre wildly inaccurate mean just blatantly so
Well-
Whats that
TH Urn for example the unsanitized list has this-has bits of files in it that says status
sanitized on it so Im trying to figure it out where hes getting-what-what hes
doing to generate that status
Taking in foreign connections...Generate we generate
TH No thats signed
Uh turn around let me zip you up
All panicked and they go ahead and do the right thing and finish it sign it and
finish it
IH Is long as thats what theyre doing
Yeah
TH Were not-were not that good at following Mike Judges rule number one Dont
dumb
Dont be dumb
TH Theres too many of us All right All right so mush go go on wsht Im beating
you off Okay claps hands All nght Chns Space in
tapef
So whats the
right thing to do here Christopher
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Urn Im saying- well probably-I could just-I could comment those out and then
what happens is is someone tries to make it to the license but
fake snore
power plant will probably just throw up at the lack of concern and say ugh
cant fight this resource They can get more fancy about it tomorrow or
Ill Lets-lets-lets do that for now cause want to see that build go green and were
not really concerned about the inventive licensing right this second
Probably not
TH Right correct me if Im wrong Mr Mozilta
really dont think we are
TH Okay see sighs
Particularly since these license files..
TH Are wrong
The old yeah
TH They have all irnportant clause about this is not the fail-safe op systems laughs
Ph yeah
Oh yes And-and what-then there was that bit about urn like the list of countries
were not allowed to export it to and it included some countries that dont exist
anymore
Exist anymore
Right space .Still not allowed to ship them to that-those countries
Damn straight space So there were actually three things that brought the Mac
the Mac to its knees
Three completely independent things or three related things
Three completely ... things
Yeah but .. Ohh ho ho ho ho To quote Cartman God damn it
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See when that happens its little scary because this is on ram disk right now
TH So does she really know how this loses its tree
Its like woops Im sorry all youre changes are gone
That would make me feel real warm and fuzzy about doing builds on Mac
TH Brandon think you-I think if you were doing builds on Mac th
might lose your ram disk would be the least of your problems
Well no
Going insane for one
Th Okay nynex yeah
Going insane for one
Im still struggling with Brian being warm and fuzzy
laughs Yeah that is bit of stretch isnt it
Its linking Its linking
Okay
.AK-47
TH Is it-did it link
Yeah it linked
Watch it
Now Im going to check in first then Im going to launch it
Oh so you dont want to crash your system and lose your tree
Exactly
This is the burliest build machine in the company Ill have you know
Really
TH Yeah 600 megs of memory
700
700 megs of memory builds-start to finish including pull 45 minutes
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Oh God where are those files
machine that doesnt even have an operating system
Laughs Oh thats being cruel
TH But-but true
But true Unfortunately Its probably one of those parts you want to cut
TH Well Im sony any operating system that doesnt protect its own like kernel
If you could call the Macintosh as having kernel. Well thats-thats
Thats one of the more fun thing about the Mac actually
Memory protection is good thing really Hey its Bruce
Why are you working now
No the good thing about the Mac is the flying toasters Pretty much
But you can have that on windows too
You can
Yeah After dark has windows version
was unaware
But you cant get the uh you cant get the shooting of toasters down anymore
Now what is does an do
That was good Yeah
Something with sheet on their address
Joe still have that Theres pointless waste of resources
Dave asks if they are going to head over to see Jim
Yes in about ten minutes
How long was that Authors .. thats Im supposed to be using
For the past year or so its
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Yes its now
Authors is just that-that little picture
that has the-the first ..about ten people
where you know
Yeah where Cochacks is the mask
Yeah
Were you even in that picture
Yeah yeah yeah was in the back
The-the cool thing about that picture is that Hink Wynn is like in the second row
But he took the picture We didnt want to leave him in
Are they
Uh I-Im not familiar with it enough that remem-I even reme-I just sort of look at
it and go gla gla gla
They begin with the editors XT
But at the time that theyre not-you know its sort of like mumbledy gook and then
mumbledy guk
Have you been upstairs yet
No was gonna walk around
Lets go upstairs
Okay but if you do though
was gonna see if you were-if you were screwing around the stuff that sent to
you were stripping Java out Okay never mind
you should fight someone who is gun terrified
lie hasnt been a-he hasnt been real X-head in like
Its been very long time shouldnt be touching that
No no you dont have to touch it you simply have to look at it and go..
theres gonna be somebody upstairs
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Ill look at it and make guess..
upstairs
Dave says can you wait one second for an hour
Does-does someone have batch
Were both reading..
Batchelor warm fuzzy Brian laughs
Thats not it the colored hair cannot know thats all hes got
Its the skin of the warm fuzzy hair
So ub its very rare
The idea is that Gilson calls and you go ohoh remember that had to do with
something no no thats not important oh now thats important That has to do
with the issue as were starting multiple threads
Right yeah In other words youre starting up loop so now went through
found some stuff that Ed Consay had removed this way and I-we turned it back
on Now when we turned it back on other things were gonna fall but now were
in there de-bugging it and go boy this wou-you know Brendan would know
this
You know sob sob Ive tried to get Brendan several times to play in this game
hes really you know resisting heavily So you know youre smiling no more
so -so we get-we get together
..Play
whispered Go go go go
...I-I set date And understand the wallflower concept but .Im not even sure
what the bunkheads might be doing and so no we do have plan though the
So Dave to get people..
TH Right What well end up doing is that Ill get-Ill get my guys on that and they will
urn do the thing with moving those particular files into NS Crew and maybe
Ill/
be here for another three or four hours so if you run into any snags that you want
me to help you work on just give me call space in tape then same speaker
Laughs Right Thats-thats fine we just we need just the sort of the general
overview of what youve done and then have engineers ready to go Make them
go away Okay Yeah got people just sort of like poised to do that So thatll
be all right And you think youll hay-youll be ready for that for tomorrow
Okay Okay All right thatll work um like said Ill be around so if you have
any trouble tonight and then Sarahs coming in early tomorrow morning so were
tag teaming if you have any problems um that you missed me for just drop her
drop-drop us both mail and shell pick it up from there Okay All right Bye
No no no no .. Doesnt matter
TI Were doomed
Were doomed
TH Okay so..
looked at my clock and looked the clobber builds to current logs urn and
theyre are currently no hairs in them and it then it should uh Ti over any second
now
TH He is now making his changes that the uh for the make system for UNIX he
thinksll be done in the next hour or two and then hes gonna roll around the
windows The default is for it to be on but its tied to an environment variable so
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then our job will then be to take that and wrap in the Moz-the Moz medium like the
this dot MK file urn etc
Right
TH And uh same with windows And then Mac were just gonna have to like wrap
to make this work
To guarantee this work right
TH That way itll get done
Then we get to take it out of client resources...
TH And then we get to .. with client resource modules along with Java as soon as
thats done
Im going to be in merge hell tomorrow....its not gonna be fun but
TH Yes sir Yeah Thats still true Not-no thats Don McAslans primary hell right
now in fact hes gonna have to be merging with your shit if you get
in before he
does
Then well..
TH Okay yeah hes ready for that All right Bye Hes like Im still building Moz
lighted UNIX is that wrong
No thats fine because thats fine I-I think what I-the the merge hell will just
be..
TH He says actually
his changes to the make system are extremely moderate it
shouldn be that big of deal
But everybody else is changing s-there-thereve been there-thereve been theytheyll
make three car pools before go in since- thats okay W-Ill do it the same
way used to keep AIX Um Ill keep going AIX
TH Okay okay
Here you go
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Tape 15 3/10/98
When do you think the tree will be open again
TFI Not before tomorrow morning Wait okay erase that If Javas gonna go in not
before tomorrow morning If they say Mercy we cant do it then
Yeah
TH You want to put more license stuff in there
assume theres more to do and can-Ill just keep walking over the whole tree
looking for the insert license here tag and
TH need to talk to Lloyd because Im looking over the list that hes generating on
the hostage list and theyre wildly inaccurate mean just blatantly so
Well-
Whats that
TH Urn for example the unsanitized list has this-has bits of files in it that says status
sanitized on it so Im trying to figure it out where hes getting-what-what hes
doing to generate that status
Taking in foreign connections...Generate we generate
TH No thats signed
Uh turn around let me zip you up
All panicked and they go ahead and do the right thing and finish it sign it and
finish it
IH Is long as thats what theyre doing
Yeah
TH Were not-were not that good at following Mike Judges rule number one Dont
dumb
Dont be dumb
TH Theres too many of us All right All right so mush go go on wsht Im beating
you off Okay claps hands All nght Chns Space in
tapef
So whats the
right thing to do here Christopher
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Urn Im saying- well probably-I could just-I could comment those out and then
what happens is is someone tries to make it to the license but
fake snore
power plant will probably just throw up at the lack of concern and say ugh
cant fight this resource They can get more fancy about it tomorrow or
Ill Lets-lets-lets do that for now cause want to see that build go green and were
not really concerned about the inventive licensing right this second
Probably not
TH Right correct me if Im wrong Mr Mozilta
really dont think we are
TH Okay see sighs
Particularly since these license files..
TH Are wrong
The old yeah
TH They have all irnportant clause about this is not the fail-safe op systems laughs
Ph yeah
Oh yes And-and what-then there was that bit about urn like the list of countries
were not allowed to export it to and it included some countries that dont exist
anymore
Exist anymore
Right space .Still not allowed to ship them to that-those countries
Damn straight space So there were actually three things that brought the Mac
the Mac to its knees
Three completely independent things or three related things
Three completely ... things
Yeah but .. Ohh ho ho ho ho To quote Cartman God damn it
54
TH
TH
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Tape 15 3/10/98
See when that happens its little scary because this is on ram disk right now
TH So does she really know how this loses its tree
Its like woops Im sorry all youre changes are gone
That would make me feel real warm and fuzzy about doing builds on Mac
TH Brandon think you-I think if you were doing builds on Mac th
might lose your ram disk would be the least of your problems
Well no
Going insane for one
Th Okay nynex yeah
Going insane for one
Im still struggling with Brian being warm and fuzzy
laughs Yeah that is bit of stretch isnt it
Its linking Its linking
Okay
.AK-47
TH Is it-did it link
Yeah it linked
Watch it
Now Im going to check in first then Im going to launch it
Oh so you dont want to crash your system and lose your tree
Exactly
This is the burliest build machine in the company Ill have you know
Really
TH Yeah 600 megs of memory
700
700 megs of memory builds-start to finish including pull 45 minutes
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Oh God where are those files
machine that doesnt even have an operating system
Laughs Oh thats being cruel
TH But-but true
But true Unfortunately Its probably one of those parts you want to cut
TH Well Im sony any operating system that doesnt protect its own like kernel
If you could call the Macintosh as having kernel. Well thats-thats
Thats one of the more fun thing about the Mac actually
Memory protection is good thing really Hey its Bruce
Why are you working now
No the good thing about the Mac is the flying toasters Pretty much
But you can have that on windows too
You can
Yeah After dark has windows version
was unaware
But you cant get the uh you cant get the shooting of toasters down anymore
Now what is does an do
That was good Yeah
Something with sheet on their address
Joe still have that Theres pointless waste of resources
Dave asks if they are going to head over to see Jim
Yes in about ten minutes
How long was that Authors .. thats Im supposed to be using
For the past year or so its
page
f.c._/
Netscape Documentary
Tape 15 3/10/98
Yes its now
Authors is just that-that little picture
that has the-the first ..about ten people
where you know
Yeah where Cochacks is the mask
Yeah
Were you even in that picture
Yeah yeah yeah was in the back
The-the cool thing about that picture is that Hink Wynn is like in the second row
But he took the picture We didnt want to leave him in
Are they
Uh I-Im not familiar with it enough that remem-I even reme-I just sort of look at
it and go gla gla gla
They begin with the editors XT
But at the time that theyre not-you know its sort of like mumbledy gook and then
mumbledy guk
Have you been upstairs yet
No was gonna walk around
Lets go upstairs
Okay but if you do though
was gonna see if you were-if you were screwing around the stuff that sent to
you were stripping Java out Okay never mind
you should fight someone who is gun terrified
lie hasnt been a-he hasnt been real X-head in like
Its been very long time shouldnt be touching that
No no you dont have to touch it you simply have to look at it and go..
theres gonna be somebody upstairs
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Ill look at it and make guess..
upstairs
Dave says can you wait one second for an hour
Does-does someone have batch
Were both reading..
Batchelor warm fuzzy Brian laughs
Thats not it the colored hair cannot know thats all hes got
Its the skin of the warm fuzzy hair
So ub its very rare
The idea is that Gilson calls and you go ohoh remember that had to do with
something no no thats not important oh now thats important That has to do
with the issue as were starting multiple threads
Right yeah In other words youre starting up loop so now went through
found some stuff that Ed Consay had removed this way and I-we turned it back
on Now when we turned it back on other things were gonna fall but now were
in there de-bugging it and go boy this wou-you know Brendan would know
this
You know sob sob Ive tried to get Brendan several times to play in this game
hes really you know resisting heavily So you know youre smiling no more
so -so we get-we get together
..Play
whispered Go go go go
...I-I set date And understand the wallflower concept but .Im not even sure
what the bunkheads might be doing and so no we do have plan though the
