Tape 013 - Clip 2
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TH So wheres Gordon how doomed is he
Uh he feels pretty comfortable the one thing hes sure of is going to break the
commercial build..
TH But weve all agreed that were willing to live with that until Monday Come
Monday we will be all over that problem again
Right so right now the heard part is to make the free source
TH Or Monday plus whatever days we need to make our Friday deadline
feel lot of confidence that this is going to catch up with that real soon So this is
Windows is gonna catch up with UNIX
TH So take it that Pixley is the sacrificial goat from the Java Scripts team to figure out
the...so it is Mozilla thread
Well we have strong evidence that it is and hes supposed to...so were not sure if
Brendan is not psyched to come and play with us or what but this is the sacrificial
lamb that he was willing to cast down...right no he mentioned that he was
supposed to be working with Tom So there arent any meetings Im missing
right
TH Nothing Imjust making sure that you guys are still on track
Just come around...right...I really think theyre working well Jim Geliman is also
doing some stuff with builds to make sure things are clear
TH And Gordons in good shape All right good
Were having lot of fun
Til Oh boy then Im done SO now deed to go yell
at Chris Cardiff for while and
leave you guys alone
Hes upstairs So yeah well be here Im sure it always is the case if Brenda
stayed to check in we have to do the final poii at the time we tell her well tell her
shell lock down the tree for about hours just to do build and make sure things
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are stable We have to pull the tree do our merge cross our fingers that we dont
hit any more merge bugs and then check that in So my guess is that were easily
going to go until 10 or 11 oclock tonight just at the current rate
Til What do you think your ETA is for when youre gonna be ready because right
now were still trying to fix the tree So dont want you guys to be
Right keep fix the tree Good stuff Its better that you fix it than we fix it
TH Right were sorta gonna raise the issue potentially now so want to make sure..
The interesting thing is we can back out pieces of this change enough to be em...to
repair the bustage but their not quite sure what specific pieces This could take
anywhere from half an hour to two or three hours feel very confident that
were gonna progress through it..
TH And these guys are some hours away..
But theyre keeping up You can ask them...Raman how are you feeling in terms
of status and builds..
think we had the Windows done by the evening by oclock 12 oclock
TH Is that when youre gonna want to start your check in
Yeah
JR Or is that when the merge would start
Maybe before that maybe Well try to get it done by you know or oclock so
we can.. tcL nt bM 1S
Well have one set done well have one build done probably in couple of hours..
TH OK so this is what need need at least two hours lead time from when you guys
think youre gonna be ready to start merging so that can both one stabilize the tree
and make sure everybody knows to stay the hell out of it starting at that time And
at some point Ive got to take my guys out to dinner because it look like were
gonna be here late so want to make sure theyre all well fed
You could take us out to dinner toclaughter
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TH Well will will take everybody out to dinner tonight if we can get Java checked
in
Yeah think we can think the main problem is the..
This one we can solve this problem the difficult one is the Java link not working
the links...
This is what Pixley is working with Hubie
If that problem is solved that we can go in earlier tonight think this one we can
get it done
TH So give me time. to aim for oclock oclock
Get the whip
TH oclock
And if it gets to be like or and we know were gonna miss it well give you
call
TH All right all right
By the way Im gonna be gone at like oclock because Im baby-sitting tonight
TH Why is it that when its the husband its baby-sitting but when its the wife its just
the standard child rearing Whats up with that
dont know
Im sure she like playing.. bet she unplugs the keyboard..
She can hang out in the build room
TH Oh great she can play with the tequila bottles Urn thatll keep her quiet....all
right so oclock the trees gonna be shut down and building and you guys will be
able to do your merge And if you guys arent ready or Im not ready well
convene at 630..
That sound fine
And just can be back around 10 if all hell breaks loose
Yeah and we can call you over the phone
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Tj-l You have connection from home right you can logged in remotely
Yeah think it should be OK but..
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JR These guys they tend to work very consistently so theyll just keep working until
its done and they wont stop until...so uh but they dont need food they dont
need sleep they dont need anything OK so they take pay but..
TH Food eventually Taco Bell..
Urn so yeah think the thing is just when you check in on them...it disrupts
little bit of the activity and..
Th Alittle
Well some yeah but Rick is there so we have different people coming in and thats
hxt
what we want Its just that the big thing is we have problem and were not sure
what the solution is and shes saying Gee wanna shut down the tree for the
merge when should shut down go well as soon as well fix the problem
when will that be its this problem its sorta like when your car doesnt start and
youre wondering how long will it be till it starts again Well were looking
TH But also have to give the hard deadline to the rest of client en so that they know
when to expect..
think its fine to shut down...aim for oclock shut down the truth is think..
TH You think oclock shut down on oclock that give you guys an extra two
hours..
you should do six oclock shut down and then build and ey4t-you
know worst case at or 10 oclock we say no were horked open the tree again
people are not going to loose that much check in time but yet well get some
stability So think it would be if we could be ready this would really help us
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lot If were not.are people really going to yell at you if you close from to 10
and nothing lands
TEl Probably but thats..
Well theyll all at you no matter what you do so..
TH Like care....the tree is on its way to being green if by 530 the tree is not green
across the board then yeah will shut down because well have to for
stabilization But dont want to make that call right now
If youre really worried about us though you should think about getting us to
stable tree and making it so that we have gap to jump in on
TH Right thats exactly what Im doing Ijust want to make sure its parallel effort .z
not serial effort this...Im running out of hours
TH All right Ive got to go talk to Cardiff see if can find him and Ill touch base
with him in couple of hours
OK see ya
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Jrwewant to know thats its our that we broke it And the problem is that we
have lot of changes and now if it doesnt work were suspicious of all our
changes when the truth is it could have been broken by something that happened
minutes before we check in we have to be sure we have stable base and thats
what were gonna go for So Im asking her to shut down the tree shut down
means stop people from checking things in verify that its totally solid and..now
theres good chance from the way theyre talking that were gonna find the
problem and work through it At that point we wont have to wait an extra two
hours before we cheek in And then..my worst case scenario is well were not45 -f
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ready OK we call her up and say no this is not working we do not want to hold
the tree any longer We could probably hold it for you know an hour or two
without anyone really complaining and again this is the trade off of slowing other
people down versus getting us were perceived as large check in that needs the
stability and needs things not to be moved at all while were working So...is this
all making sense
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Is there any particular network youre doing this for
Youre going
Uh he feels pretty comfortable the one thing hes sure of is going to break the
commercial build..
TH But weve all agreed that were willing to live with that until Monday Come
Monday we will be all over that problem again
Right so right now the heard part is to make the free source
TH Or Monday plus whatever days we need to make our Friday deadline
feel lot of confidence that this is going to catch up with that real soon So this is
Windows is gonna catch up with UNIX
TH So take it that Pixley is the sacrificial goat from the Java Scripts team to figure out
the...so it is Mozilla thread
Well we have strong evidence that it is and hes supposed to...so were not sure if
Brendan is not psyched to come and play with us or what but this is the sacrificial
lamb that he was willing to cast down...right no he mentioned that he was
supposed to be working with Tom So there arent any meetings Im missing
right
TH Nothing Imjust making sure that you guys are still on track
Just come around...right...I really think theyre working well Jim Geliman is also
doing some stuff with builds to make sure things are clear
TH And Gordons in good shape All right good
Were having lot of fun
Til Oh boy then Im done SO now deed to go yell
at Chris Cardiff for while and
leave you guys alone
Hes upstairs So yeah well be here Im sure it always is the case if Brenda
stayed to check in we have to do the final poii at the time we tell her well tell her
shell lock down the tree for about hours just to do build and make sure things
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Tape 13 3/10/98
are stable We have to pull the tree do our merge cross our fingers that we dont
hit any more merge bugs and then check that in So my guess is that were easily
going to go until 10 or 11 oclock tonight just at the current rate
Til What do you think your ETA is for when youre gonna be ready because right
now were still trying to fix the tree So dont want you guys to be
Right keep fix the tree Good stuff Its better that you fix it than we fix it
TH Right were sorta gonna raise the issue potentially now so want to make sure..
The interesting thing is we can back out pieces of this change enough to be em...to
repair the bustage but their not quite sure what specific pieces This could take
anywhere from half an hour to two or three hours feel very confident that
were gonna progress through it..
TH And these guys are some hours away..
But theyre keeping up You can ask them...Raman how are you feeling in terms
of status and builds..
think we had the Windows done by the evening by oclock 12 oclock
TH Is that when youre gonna want to start your check in
Yeah
JR Or is that when the merge would start
Maybe before that maybe Well try to get it done by you know or oclock so
we can.. tcL nt bM 1S
Well have one set done well have one build done probably in couple of hours..
TH OK so this is what need need at least two hours lead time from when you guys
think youre gonna be ready to start merging so that can both one stabilize the tree
and make sure everybody knows to stay the hell out of it starting at that time And
at some point Ive got to take my guys out to dinner because it look like were
gonna be here late so want to make sure theyre all well fed
You could take us out to dinner toclaughter
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TH Well will will take everybody out to dinner tonight if we can get Java checked
in
Yeah think we can think the main problem is the..
This one we can solve this problem the difficult one is the Java link not working
the links...
This is what Pixley is working with Hubie
If that problem is solved that we can go in earlier tonight think this one we can
get it done
TH So give me time. to aim for oclock oclock
Get the whip
TH oclock
And if it gets to be like or and we know were gonna miss it well give you
call
TH All right all right
By the way Im gonna be gone at like oclock because Im baby-sitting tonight
TH Why is it that when its the husband its baby-sitting but when its the wife its just
the standard child rearing Whats up with that
dont know
Im sure she like playing.. bet she unplugs the keyboard..
She can hang out in the build room
TH Oh great she can play with the tequila bottles Urn thatll keep her quiet....all
right so oclock the trees gonna be shut down and building and you guys will be
able to do your merge And if you guys arent ready or Im not ready well
convene at 630..
That sound fine
And just can be back around 10 if all hell breaks loose
Yeah and we can call you over the phone
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Tj-l You have connection from home right you can logged in remotely
Yeah think it should be OK but..
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JR These guys they tend to work very consistently so theyll just keep working until
its done and they wont stop until...so uh but they dont need food they dont
need sleep they dont need anything OK so they take pay but..
TH Food eventually Taco Bell..
Urn so yeah think the thing is just when you check in on them...it disrupts
little bit of the activity and..
Th Alittle
Well some yeah but Rick is there so we have different people coming in and thats
hxt
what we want Its just that the big thing is we have problem and were not sure
what the solution is and shes saying Gee wanna shut down the tree for the
merge when should shut down go well as soon as well fix the problem
when will that be its this problem its sorta like when your car doesnt start and
youre wondering how long will it be till it starts again Well were looking
TH But also have to give the hard deadline to the rest of client en so that they know
when to expect..
think its fine to shut down...aim for oclock shut down the truth is think..
TH You think oclock shut down on oclock that give you guys an extra two
hours..
you should do six oclock shut down and then build and ey4t-you
know worst case at or 10 oclock we say no were horked open the tree again
people are not going to loose that much check in time but yet well get some
stability So think it would be if we could be ready this would really help us
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lot If were not.are people really going to yell at you if you close from to 10
and nothing lands
TEl Probably but thats..
Well theyll all at you no matter what you do so..
TH Like care....the tree is on its way to being green if by 530 the tree is not green
across the board then yeah will shut down because well have to for
stabilization But dont want to make that call right now
If youre really worried about us though you should think about getting us to
stable tree and making it so that we have gap to jump in on
TH Right thats exactly what Im doing Ijust want to make sure its parallel effort .z
not serial effort this...Im running out of hours
TH All right Ive got to go talk to Cardiff see if can find him and Ill touch base
with him in couple of hours
OK see ya
break
Jrwewant to know thats its our that we broke it And the problem is that we
have lot of changes and now if it doesnt work were suspicious of all our
changes when the truth is it could have been broken by something that happened
minutes before we check in we have to be sure we have stable base and thats
what were gonna go for So Im asking her to shut down the tree shut down
means stop people from checking things in verify that its totally solid and..now
theres good chance from the way theyre talking that were gonna find the
problem and work through it At that point we wont have to wait an extra two
hours before we cheek in And then..my worst case scenario is well were not45 -f
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ready OK we call her up and say no this is not working we do not want to hold
the tree any longer We could probably hold it for you know an hour or two
without anyone really complaining and again this is the trade off of slowing other
people down versus getting us were perceived as large check in that needs the
stability and needs things not to be moved at all while were working So...is this
all making sense
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Is there any particular network youre doing this for
Youre going
