Tape 008 - Clip 2
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Netscape Documentary
Tape 8M oremtg LWM...
tell us what youre gonna do now
Well You got lot of bugs and its been really difficult to complete all the bugs that hes
doing and basically what hes trying to do is hes trying to remove all of the reference to
security code in our source base urn and the reason for doing that is because our
government preventsus from exporting any references to security any cryptography
algorithm and the act of putting the source code on the netMresults in all that code being
-fr2y
available world wide So not only is it illegal for us to release that code but we can
actually go to jail for it its criminal offense believe it or not So this is kind of the
most important thing that we have to do to the source code right now is remove every
single reference to security and cryptography everywhere and Jeffs been working on that
and Im gonna go over and find our whats going on with that right now
This is not simple fix
No the security code is intermingled throughout our source base and we never thought that
wed ever have to release our source base like this in public forum and so now we have
to go back and find all the places where we put security code and remove them so in
sense its more challenging than other work that we have to do.t%1
How is 331 looking
Its pretty tight but you know its not something unusual at Netscape were always...last
minute and everybody works really hard to meet the deadline so its not the worst deadline
Ive ever seen
This is Ellis Island right in the Middle there this is Ellis Street and in the middle is Ellis
Island its very dangerous place to be..
ri
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Ive actually never been in this building..
Third floor is minimal security.. .--
have no idea where we are
Wheres the hit zone
Were going over here zeroing in on Jeff Weinstein./
JC Oh think were getting close...hey heres Jeff How are you doing
JW OK
JC Well you are officially the most doomed individual in the company
JW So whats going on
JC am on mission have to find out..
JW Yeah so over the weekend had bunch of stuff ready to check in but urn
didnt know had some extra files to add and didnt know what to add on the
Mac how to add the files
JC OntheMac
JW Yeah
JC For which particular areas
JW Well the thing is can check in Im checking in new files right so been changing
to MEG files right on the Mac you know they use the project files and didnt
know if should just check them in or..
JC Uh probably not..you should probably work with Scott
JW Yeah so sent tried to page sent mail to Mac Devon paged Tara...and never got
any response from any body
JC can help you with that Scott is back in town today so he can help you
JW So what Im going to do is check dump stuff in and thats sort of stepping stone
along the way to ripping out the security stuff..
JC So what are you checking in exactly
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JW OK so basically Im checking in bunch of markers in the code that say heres the
sections that need to be removed and then urn basically Ive taken bunch of code
that was in line and directly in Meg Net and within other places in the client in the
security libraries so instead of stub out like 15 calls can just stubb out one
So basically what gonna do what want to do is Im gonna check this stuff in
and then Ill have working build with security still in but with the all the pieces
for removal in place and then the next thing would do is immediately do try to
do build with it all removed and see what breaks and thats sort of where Im at
JC So how do we turn off the code then it is build flagged
JW Yeah
JC OK so you put the markers in and well build with the markets make sure thats
still working and build it again without the markers and. .all right ..so is that
gonna cover all of your bugs all at once or..
JW Urn it should cover most of them here..
JC Some of them are on Tara actually
JW Yeah those are. yeah some of these can already actually already clear out
JC OK can you mark those for me so know..
JW can close that one becaMi were not shipping that..some of these Ill have to look
at becaseu dont think theres anything to be there like this mungs string
thing...um .this one can close as soon as check with Stephan um same with
this one...yeah bunch of these almost all of these are gonna be...I should have
them closed
JC So when are you going to check those in
JW As oon as can get help...rnaybe should just get Tara to close the tree and to let
me check this stuff in because..
JC OK so you dont have window when you could check in your bugs
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JW havent negotiated window...and like said tried paging these guys on
Saturday and didnt get any kind of response..
JC and whats gonna be left once youve check that in whats gonna be left to do
JW Basically then have to try building it without with the security stuff out and then
see what breaks
JC So that might take while
JW Urn hopefully Ill get most of it done tonight Im gonna be here. .as..
JC Conservatively when would you say
JW Id say conservatively by Wednesday but yeah mean Im still if cant build or
whatever during that tirne then all bets are off and thats the problem Ive been
running up against you know lost half of last week bec4I couldnt build and
half the weekend becabJ couldnt get hold of anybody. .so..
JC So if we held the tree closed for while would that help you get to building stage
JW Urn well can build right now the problem right now ..well of course just
looked at tinder box and its in flames at the moment so
JC So are you all right
JW Yeah mean people seern to be working on it
JC Theres also theres people that were wondering..
JW It might be advisable just to close the tree and let this stuff get back in the green
JC And then let you in
JW And then can go in immediately after that yeah
JC Are you gonna come at 330 today
JW Urn can
JC Well is it more important for you to be here and working
JW It depends if Im in the middle of checking in Ill just stay here and continue urn
if Imnot then Ill come over..
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JC Mi right and its gonna be in the pit too
JW Yeah
JC ...theres also people were wondering if they should remove todays functions
one of them is named
JW They should just leave all that stuff alone for now
JC OK so can cross that one off so its not illegal to have all that stuff in there
JW Right Im going through and doing taking care of all of those things
JC all right so um are those the issues of accounts set up too Are you worried
about that one..
break
You just want to have obscure it so if someone looks over your shoulder they cant
see your password
So who do you expect..
Urn expect that well worry about that after 331
Tape 8M oremtg LWM...
tell us what youre gonna do now
Well You got lot of bugs and its been really difficult to complete all the bugs that hes
doing and basically what hes trying to do is hes trying to remove all of the reference to
security code in our source base urn and the reason for doing that is because our
government preventsus from exporting any references to security any cryptography
algorithm and the act of putting the source code on the netMresults in all that code being
-fr2y
available world wide So not only is it illegal for us to release that code but we can
actually go to jail for it its criminal offense believe it or not So this is kind of the
most important thing that we have to do to the source code right now is remove every
single reference to security and cryptography everywhere and Jeffs been working on that
and Im gonna go over and find our whats going on with that right now
This is not simple fix
No the security code is intermingled throughout our source base and we never thought that
wed ever have to release our source base like this in public forum and so now we have
to go back and find all the places where we put security code and remove them so in
sense its more challenging than other work that we have to do.t%1
How is 331 looking
Its pretty tight but you know its not something unusual at Netscape were always...last
minute and everybody works really hard to meet the deadline so its not the worst deadline
Ive ever seen
This is Ellis Island right in the Middle there this is Ellis Street and in the middle is Ellis
Island its very dangerous place to be..
ri
page
Netscape Documentary
Tape More mtg
Ive actually never been in this building..
Third floor is minimal security.. .--
have no idea where we are
Wheres the hit zone
Were going over here zeroing in on Jeff Weinstein./
JC Oh think were getting close...hey heres Jeff How are you doing
JW OK
JC Well you are officially the most doomed individual in the company
JW So whats going on
JC am on mission have to find out..
JW Yeah so over the weekend had bunch of stuff ready to check in but urn
didnt know had some extra files to add and didnt know what to add on the
Mac how to add the files
JC OntheMac
JW Yeah
JC For which particular areas
JW Well the thing is can check in Im checking in new files right so been changing
to MEG files right on the Mac you know they use the project files and didnt
know if should just check them in or..
JC Uh probably not..you should probably work with Scott
JW Yeah so sent tried to page sent mail to Mac Devon paged Tara...and never got
any response from any body
JC can help you with that Scott is back in town today so he can help you
JW So what Im going to do is check dump stuff in and thats sort of stepping stone
along the way to ripping out the security stuff..
JC So what are you checking in exactly
page
Netscape Documentary
Tape More mtg
JW OK so basically Im checking in bunch of markers in the code that say heres the
sections that need to be removed and then urn basically Ive taken bunch of code
that was in line and directly in Meg Net and within other places in the client in the
security libraries so instead of stub out like 15 calls can just stubb out one
So basically what gonna do what want to do is Im gonna check this stuff in
and then Ill have working build with security still in but with the all the pieces
for removal in place and then the next thing would do is immediately do try to
do build with it all removed and see what breaks and thats sort of where Im at
JC So how do we turn off the code then it is build flagged
JW Yeah
JC OK so you put the markers in and well build with the markets make sure thats
still working and build it again without the markers and. .all right ..so is that
gonna cover all of your bugs all at once or..
JW Urn it should cover most of them here..
JC Some of them are on Tara actually
JW Yeah those are. yeah some of these can already actually already clear out
JC OK can you mark those for me so know..
JW can close that one becaMi were not shipping that..some of these Ill have to look
at becaseu dont think theres anything to be there like this mungs string
thing...um .this one can close as soon as check with Stephan um same with
this one...yeah bunch of these almost all of these are gonna be...I should have
them closed
JC So when are you going to check those in
JW As oon as can get help...rnaybe should just get Tara to close the tree and to let
me check this stuff in because..
JC OK so you dont have window when you could check in your bugs
_1
page
Netscape Iocumentary
Tape More mtg
JW havent negotiated window...and like said tried paging these guys on
Saturday and didnt get any kind of response..
JC and whats gonna be left once youve check that in whats gonna be left to do
JW Basically then have to try building it without with the security stuff out and then
see what breaks
JC So that might take while
JW Urn hopefully Ill get most of it done tonight Im gonna be here. .as..
JC Conservatively when would you say
JW Id say conservatively by Wednesday but yeah mean Im still if cant build or
whatever during that tirne then all bets are off and thats the problem Ive been
running up against you know lost half of last week bec4I couldnt build and
half the weekend becabJ couldnt get hold of anybody. .so..
JC So if we held the tree closed for while would that help you get to building stage
JW Urn well can build right now the problem right now ..well of course just
looked at tinder box and its in flames at the moment so
JC So are you all right
JW Yeah mean people seern to be working on it
JC Theres also theres people that were wondering..
JW It might be advisable just to close the tree and let this stuff get back in the green
JC And then let you in
JW And then can go in immediately after that yeah
JC Are you gonna come at 330 today
JW Urn can
JC Well is it more important for you to be here and working
JW It depends if Im in the middle of checking in Ill just stay here and continue urn
if Imnot then Ill come over..
page
Netscape Documentary
Tape More mtg
JC Mi right and its gonna be in the pit too
JW Yeah
JC ...theres also people were wondering if they should remove todays functions
one of them is named
JW They should just leave all that stuff alone for now
JC OK so can cross that one off so its not illegal to have all that stuff in there
JW Right Im going through and doing taking care of all of those things
JC all right so um are those the issues of accounts set up too Are you worried
about that one..
break
You just want to have obscure it so if someone looks over your shoulder they cant
see your password
So who do you expect..
Urn expect that well worry about that after 331
