Tape 007 - Clip 2
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Micheal Toy Meeting
TranscriptText:
Well do you want me to come up and talk to here and see Because think its all 73
platforms right .So have you checked any uh any changes yet to taking any of the
strings out especially the XP part Can. if you...youll be checking it tonight
can.. are you at home so.. Garret wants to know if he can help you right so can
Garret give you call at home and find out what we can do uh do to get that up
faster Is that ph-uh-the Netscape phone or do need some double secret code
Okay All right Ill have Garret call you after this meeting After we get out of the
pit and synchronize thats not gonna screw you up or anything right Okay
bingo And Ill file two bugs might have Garret for the next couple days be-be
owner of those just because youre not going to be in the office If he can be in the
meeting room Uh dont go crazy um. Your boss would that- would that be
okay Ill go over and slap Rick and tell him This mig14be hair more important
this week All right all right all right all right Okay will go up and...Oh thats
okay slapped Jim the other day Uh okay Ill go upstairs and talk to Schwan
and get data to you and Garret via E-mail okay All right have fun in your
remaining time off before you come back to the pit of doom All right Ill see you
on Wednesday Bye bye
MT Three platforms to land on Everybody else said Ill be done by this afternoon or
tomorrow morning defmitely
Except for those of us waiting for security
Ml Except for that will order mixing expect this week to be order magnitude ten
bugs right and if all were doing is waiting for security would be completely
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would feel like were completely on track The order is were magnitude hundred
bugs not magnitude ten So if thats the only problem we have then-then were
essentially done
Once we get through number of bugs that are show stoppers are..
MT Okay all right well do that
TH PlP2s
Tvfl Were-were attempting to do that now We didnt find any other new ones did
we This is just way too slow Lets do the fast version
have question Dan has the liv jar bug but as far as know liv jar is only used
for Java DO you..
Edits Edits is the soft update man.. and so Ijust left mail but voice mail but
suspect that we dont need it we have it stumped out..
MT No we dont care about soft update for 3-3 1..
JR Theres no job the claim was there was third party
Raman was not able to find
the third party in the tree by graph So were psyched for now our plan is going
for check in in fact Im trying to get the heck away from criminal path and check it
in and let people yell..
MT Hold on am screwing this up
No we have the bugs and we have the liv jars
Oh...am competing with reg and liv jar think am Im sony that was just
test laughter
TH Liv Jar
Im sorry the jury will please disregard the comments
It might have been wrong but it sounded really good Like Imthinking maybe
because of we he said maybe well just pretend it wasnt wrong and maybe we
dont need liv jar mean we dont need liv jar right7
What is liv jar doing for us right now
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Doesnt it only do the packing and the unpacking of the files
If were through with Java we dont need liv jar
Thats exactly what my point is
The question is do we need stumps because..
Somebody else call it right so could somebody tell me whether we need stubs for
the damn thing
nominate you
Hes saying that Java script..
Java scrip uses jar you can build jars now in the clients they just read Java script
and images dont know whether we need that capacity in 331 but it is used
believe in areas other than Java
OK so do we have any issues that include Java other than the Sun issue right
cause we own the code Right so we should probably include it mean if its not
lot of effort its part of the normal distribution..
Its name affiliation with me is strictly coincidental laughter
Oh sure
So therefore it is still an issue for Dan to Sanitize it
Yes continue what youre doing
That was lot of work to find that out
And the important thing is it took lot of work for us to do that
And not just lot of us lot of really smart us
Yeah How can we get this band width thing solved
break
Were still at 103
MT Yeah order of magnitude 70 theres about 30 of these P3s
TH OK
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MT Well little over 30..
OK what are the POs just Jeffs
MT If its aPi or P2...if it snot P3 then its an emergency right now
What Im asking is general question if we went to the trouble of categorizing
something as P3s and we think that what we have as P0 P1 and P2 reflects real
priorities
MT Oh no theres just two universes above P3 and below P3
laughter and what was the reasoning we used to set the priorities then
MT To leave room for that for those to become meaningful later
MT All right lets just summarize where we are so that we can get the smart people in
this room back to the real work All right everybody except for the people who
are waiting on Jeff Weinstein and the people who are landing the Java car pool from
the netherworid believe that they will be done by tomorrow morning..
heard manyjeopk Say by today or tomorrow
TH So call it probably tomorrow end of day
So if theres 130 meeting probably here...tomoffow if you have bug open
you have to be here Does anyone have problem with that
Will security be here
MT Well were going to beast up on security immediately after leaving this room
Damn have to miss that laughter
MT If theres any problem you need to come get me will be in this room OK
dont stop dont wait til tomorrow to tell me that theres problem etc etc etc
This is of the National Emergency theres no the only thing more important than
this is 4.05 This is more important than 4.5 this is more important than any other
activity that this company is doing Its not more important than going home and
kissing your wife at 530 but that will be completely separate meeting
It ranks up pretty well with breathing is what youre saying
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MT Yeah as long as youre getting paid once youre no
Netscape to be here then it ceases to be important
Right
TH Were doomed
reviewing bug list
What we need is list of all the things that should be in here on platform by
platform basis
TH Thats what thought
Do you know Ramiras status
Yeah
OK you got the head of the class and talk to Michael
So smart update we dont know why that is thinks it even remotely useful to put
up because its Java thing..
Mt No were still playing flake hunter..
ML All right thanks for coming
longer getting paid by
break
TH
needed to look at 109132 can you bring that one up in another window
Mt It is preemptively multi tasking system Whats the bug number.
Dee dee dee its 109132 and think is related to Cores bug that hes owning
on Micro Line..
MT Yeah we reassigned this to Core
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OK so reassign this or you
MT Its already done
Well then we can go home
OK whats the ETA on Ramero because have to talk to him abut that other
stuff ..when he comes in..
How do you forward your number
MT have no idea
Its phone who knows how to use phone
You go there and you press the forward button and you punch in the new number
and you probably press the forward button again
will do that for you Michael
Ml Weinstein Weinsteins bugs are when check in will close them all
We need something better than that mean hes got the most bugs of anybody on
the list and..
dont see any e-mail notification in 3-D anywhere you know like in Ransom
where it goes makes noises
finally saw Contact this weekend and thought you know when theyre getting
the date from supposedly the Alien message and theyre trying to get the image data
and find the interlace and all that other stuff that did not suck it was not too bad
that sucked less of any Hollywood movie Ive seen in long time as far as the
technical stuff
How come youre not video conferencing with Weinstein right now laughter
Ml am laughter
telepathic
MT Yes thats this wire right here
All we leaving all the URLs in the point in Netscape
Uh thats good question Uh pink asked that one..
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MT Tell him to pause Im looking at that one right now Im trying to decide
What other snap judgments bit you in the ass like that one last week
Is related links in the source right now or is it just in the 4.05 thing
Aurora is in the source now but related links is not is the
Is not in the
At issue is that weve got code in there that deals with that server right ooo Ill
have to talk to Gooha about that Somebody file bug and assign it to me
MT Whats the bug
It is do we have any like uh legal issues with related with...whats the
company..
MT the data lives on our server..
So Terrys universe is dont ship mail and news today and ship useful mail and
news later and get permission to do that
For now it looks just as good there as it does here laughs
So Terry dont Ijust dont think politically thats going to be possible
Why
MT Because the body to do that work doesnt exist to do the two weeks worth of
work doesnt exist The body to do one days worth of work could easily exist
but the body to do two weeks worth of work doesnt exist
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platforms right .So have you checked any uh any changes yet to taking any of the
strings out especially the XP part Can. if you...youll be checking it tonight
can.. are you at home so.. Garret wants to know if he can help you right so can
Garret give you call at home and find out what we can do uh do to get that up
faster Is that ph-uh-the Netscape phone or do need some double secret code
Okay All right Ill have Garret call you after this meeting After we get out of the
pit and synchronize thats not gonna screw you up or anything right Okay
bingo And Ill file two bugs might have Garret for the next couple days be-be
owner of those just because youre not going to be in the office If he can be in the
meeting room Uh dont go crazy um. Your boss would that- would that be
okay Ill go over and slap Rick and tell him This mig14be hair more important
this week All right all right all right all right Okay will go up and...Oh thats
okay slapped Jim the other day Uh okay Ill go upstairs and talk to Schwan
and get data to you and Garret via E-mail okay All right have fun in your
remaining time off before you come back to the pit of doom All right Ill see you
on Wednesday Bye bye
MT Three platforms to land on Everybody else said Ill be done by this afternoon or
tomorrow morning defmitely
Except for those of us waiting for security
Ml Except for that will order mixing expect this week to be order magnitude ten
bugs right and if all were doing is waiting for security would be completely
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would feel like were completely on track The order is were magnitude hundred
bugs not magnitude ten So if thats the only problem we have then-then were
essentially done
Once we get through number of bugs that are show stoppers are..
MT Okay all right well do that
TH PlP2s
Tvfl Were-were attempting to do that now We didnt find any other new ones did
we This is just way too slow Lets do the fast version
have question Dan has the liv jar bug but as far as know liv jar is only used
for Java DO you..
Edits Edits is the soft update man.. and so Ijust left mail but voice mail but
suspect that we dont need it we have it stumped out..
MT No we dont care about soft update for 3-3 1..
JR Theres no job the claim was there was third party
Raman was not able to find
the third party in the tree by graph So were psyched for now our plan is going
for check in in fact Im trying to get the heck away from criminal path and check it
in and let people yell..
MT Hold on am screwing this up
No we have the bugs and we have the liv jars
Oh...am competing with reg and liv jar think am Im sony that was just
test laughter
TH Liv Jar
Im sorry the jury will please disregard the comments
It might have been wrong but it sounded really good Like Imthinking maybe
because of we he said maybe well just pretend it wasnt wrong and maybe we
dont need liv jar mean we dont need liv jar right7
What is liv jar doing for us right now
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Doesnt it only do the packing and the unpacking of the files
If were through with Java we dont need liv jar
Thats exactly what my point is
The question is do we need stumps because..
Somebody else call it right so could somebody tell me whether we need stubs for
the damn thing
nominate you
Hes saying that Java script..
Java scrip uses jar you can build jars now in the clients they just read Java script
and images dont know whether we need that capacity in 331 but it is used
believe in areas other than Java
OK so do we have any issues that include Java other than the Sun issue right
cause we own the code Right so we should probably include it mean if its not
lot of effort its part of the normal distribution..
Its name affiliation with me is strictly coincidental laughter
Oh sure
So therefore it is still an issue for Dan to Sanitize it
Yes continue what youre doing
That was lot of work to find that out
And the important thing is it took lot of work for us to do that
And not just lot of us lot of really smart us
Yeah How can we get this band width thing solved
break
Were still at 103
MT Yeah order of magnitude 70 theres about 30 of these P3s
TH OK
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MT Well little over 30..
OK what are the POs just Jeffs
MT If its aPi or P2...if it snot P3 then its an emergency right now
What Im asking is general question if we went to the trouble of categorizing
something as P3s and we think that what we have as P0 P1 and P2 reflects real
priorities
MT Oh no theres just two universes above P3 and below P3
laughter and what was the reasoning we used to set the priorities then
MT To leave room for that for those to become meaningful later
MT All right lets just summarize where we are so that we can get the smart people in
this room back to the real work All right everybody except for the people who
are waiting on Jeff Weinstein and the people who are landing the Java car pool from
the netherworid believe that they will be done by tomorrow morning..
heard manyjeopk Say by today or tomorrow
TH So call it probably tomorrow end of day
So if theres 130 meeting probably here...tomoffow if you have bug open
you have to be here Does anyone have problem with that
Will security be here
MT Well were going to beast up on security immediately after leaving this room
Damn have to miss that laughter
MT If theres any problem you need to come get me will be in this room OK
dont stop dont wait til tomorrow to tell me that theres problem etc etc etc
This is of the National Emergency theres no the only thing more important than
this is 4.05 This is more important than 4.5 this is more important than any other
activity that this company is doing Its not more important than going home and
kissing your wife at 530 but that will be completely separate meeting
It ranks up pretty well with breathing is what youre saying
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MT Yeah as long as youre getting paid once youre no
Netscape to be here then it ceases to be important
Right
TH Were doomed
reviewing bug list
What we need is list of all the things that should be in here on platform by
platform basis
TH Thats what thought
Do you know Ramiras status
Yeah
OK you got the head of the class and talk to Michael
So smart update we dont know why that is thinks it even remotely useful to put
up because its Java thing..
Mt No were still playing flake hunter..
ML All right thanks for coming
longer getting paid by
break
TH
needed to look at 109132 can you bring that one up in another window
Mt It is preemptively multi tasking system Whats the bug number.
Dee dee dee its 109132 and think is related to Cores bug that hes owning
on Micro Line..
MT Yeah we reassigned this to Core
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OK so reassign this or you
MT Its already done
Well then we can go home
OK whats the ETA on Ramero because have to talk to him abut that other
stuff ..when he comes in..
How do you forward your number
MT have no idea
Its phone who knows how to use phone
You go there and you press the forward button and you punch in the new number
and you probably press the forward button again
will do that for you Michael
Ml Weinstein Weinsteins bugs are when check in will close them all
We need something better than that mean hes got the most bugs of anybody on
the list and..
dont see any e-mail notification in 3-D anywhere you know like in Ransom
where it goes makes noises
finally saw Contact this weekend and thought you know when theyre getting
the date from supposedly the Alien message and theyre trying to get the image data
and find the interlace and all that other stuff that did not suck it was not too bad
that sucked less of any Hollywood movie Ive seen in long time as far as the
technical stuff
How come youre not video conferencing with Weinstein right now laughter
Ml am laughter
telepathic
MT Yes thats this wire right here
All we leaving all the URLs in the point in Netscape
Uh thats good question Uh pink asked that one..
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MT Tell him to pause Im looking at that one right now Im trying to decide
What other snap judgments bit you in the ass like that one last week
Is related links in the source right now or is it just in the 4.05 thing
Aurora is in the source now but related links is not is the
Is not in the
At issue is that weve got code in there that deals with that server right ooo Ill
have to talk to Gooha about that Somebody file bug and assign it to me
MT Whats the bug
It is do we have any like uh legal issues with related with...whats the
company..
MT the data lives on our server..
So Terrys universe is dont ship mail and news today and ship useful mail and
news later and get permission to do that
For now it looks just as good there as it does here laughs
So Terry dont Ijust dont think politically thats going to be possible
Why
MT Because the body to do that work doesnt exist to do the two weeks worth of
work doesnt exist The body to do one days worth of work could easily exist
but the body to do two weeks worth of work doesnt exist
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